sc3
10-22 04:29 PM
suresh.emails,
I said in my earlier post that I will think about it. This is what I have to say.
There are things that can be measured in single dimension say on x-axis. Say you have to buy a car and you have to ask yourself a question � which car do I like to buy? Say you like Honda as compared to other cars. Your likeability of Honda or such cars could be measured on the positive side of the x-axis and likewise, if you don�t like some car, that can be measured on the negative side on the x-axis. Now, there could be another dimension to the situation, say, what is the car model in question, if it is a civic or maybe accord, accord, CRV, Odyssey, Element or whatever. Now if you ask yourself that question again � which car do I like? This time you need two dimensions to answer the question which Honda model you like and which you don�t like. Foe the sake of clarity you can do this on the X&Y-axis. But say if there is a choice of multiple colors. You would have to now think/plot a 3-dimention model, say a cube, because you may like a model of Honda in one color but you may not like the same color in another model. Now there could be other combinations, say which year make or whether it is a sedan/coupe or the cost factor or resale value, mileage, new/old, dealership, goodies, experience of your friends/well-wishers etc. etc. etc. So there could be multiple dimensions analysis to answer a 7 word question - which car do I like to buy?
The reason I say this is, even situations which otherwise seem simple require multiple dimensions of analysis. And there could be many more dimensions that we do not know or we do not understand. But say, you ignore all dimensions to every situation, and judge every situation in a single dimension analysis - whether or not you like something or not? If you don�t like it, that something has to be wrong. If you like it, that something is right. It can be easily identified on the x-axis. Simple, isn�t it. Life would be so much easier; it would be so much fun.
But here is the problem. With single dimension analysis of every situation, we will all be wrong most of the time. Since our childhood, maybe that�s why we were sent to school to get educated so that we could gain the knowledge & wisdom which could help us to apply more than one dimension to every situation and we could gain the ability to evaluate and analyze things around us �intelligently� � in multi-dimension.
Your single dimension analysis of -ve comments situation is, you don't like them and that's why the entire system HAS to be wrong. You see what I am saying.
It�s ok to express in the any forum and if you don�t like a forum, as in this case you don�t like reputation system, you have the choice to totally ignore it and not look at it at all. But you chose to look at the reputation system maybe because you continue to be mindful of your reputation on the anonymous forum, but then you continue to complain about the existense of the red dot system. It�s the choice you make. And then you apply single dimension analysis � if you don�t like a comment, there is something wrong with the guy who posted a negative comment and the reputation system and the IV and everyone around us. And because you are not happy, you think it is ok to curse everyone saying that the entire immigration system cannot be fixed because IV has reputation system. You know, I have to tell you, you are pretty good.
The reason I say all this is, I have fundamental difference with the folks who do not like reputation system but continue to look at it and complain about it, even when they have the choice not to look at the reputation system. The problem doesn�t end there. Every week there is someone complaining about the reputations left for that guy, and I just have an intellectual disagreement with that behavior. And I do not have anything against you or anyone else, I am sure you are a good man with a kind heart.
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Good points Sanju we should weigh the +s and the -s of the rep system, however you are missing the core of the complaints. Which is that people giving reds are usually (though not always) doing it as a personal attack (you suck, F*'s etc.), whereas every green that one receives is usually on subject matter (I have not seen a "you stud"!! kind of +ve reps ;) ).
Also, what it wrong for people to complain about the system? If people have the right to give reds, why shouldn't the forum be allowed to complain about it? And if the popular opinion is against it, then the system can be dismantled.
At both ends (the extreme left and the right) it is always "my way or the highway". Neither one recognizes that there are people with different view points, and that everyone should be given an opportunity to air their own views (live a life of their choosing etc.).
I said in my earlier post that I will think about it. This is what I have to say.
There are things that can be measured in single dimension say on x-axis. Say you have to buy a car and you have to ask yourself a question � which car do I like to buy? Say you like Honda as compared to other cars. Your likeability of Honda or such cars could be measured on the positive side of the x-axis and likewise, if you don�t like some car, that can be measured on the negative side on the x-axis. Now, there could be another dimension to the situation, say, what is the car model in question, if it is a civic or maybe accord, accord, CRV, Odyssey, Element or whatever. Now if you ask yourself that question again � which car do I like? This time you need two dimensions to answer the question which Honda model you like and which you don�t like. Foe the sake of clarity you can do this on the X&Y-axis. But say if there is a choice of multiple colors. You would have to now think/plot a 3-dimention model, say a cube, because you may like a model of Honda in one color but you may not like the same color in another model. Now there could be other combinations, say which year make or whether it is a sedan/coupe or the cost factor or resale value, mileage, new/old, dealership, goodies, experience of your friends/well-wishers etc. etc. etc. So there could be multiple dimensions analysis to answer a 7 word question - which car do I like to buy?
The reason I say this is, even situations which otherwise seem simple require multiple dimensions of analysis. And there could be many more dimensions that we do not know or we do not understand. But say, you ignore all dimensions to every situation, and judge every situation in a single dimension analysis - whether or not you like something or not? If you don�t like it, that something has to be wrong. If you like it, that something is right. It can be easily identified on the x-axis. Simple, isn�t it. Life would be so much easier; it would be so much fun.
But here is the problem. With single dimension analysis of every situation, we will all be wrong most of the time. Since our childhood, maybe that�s why we were sent to school to get educated so that we could gain the knowledge & wisdom which could help us to apply more than one dimension to every situation and we could gain the ability to evaluate and analyze things around us �intelligently� � in multi-dimension.
Your single dimension analysis of -ve comments situation is, you don't like them and that's why the entire system HAS to be wrong. You see what I am saying.
It�s ok to express in the any forum and if you don�t like a forum, as in this case you don�t like reputation system, you have the choice to totally ignore it and not look at it at all. But you chose to look at the reputation system maybe because you continue to be mindful of your reputation on the anonymous forum, but then you continue to complain about the existense of the red dot system. It�s the choice you make. And then you apply single dimension analysis � if you don�t like a comment, there is something wrong with the guy who posted a negative comment and the reputation system and the IV and everyone around us. And because you are not happy, you think it is ok to curse everyone saying that the entire immigration system cannot be fixed because IV has reputation system. You know, I have to tell you, you are pretty good.
The reason I say all this is, I have fundamental difference with the folks who do not like reputation system but continue to look at it and complain about it, even when they have the choice not to look at the reputation system. The problem doesn�t end there. Every week there is someone complaining about the reputations left for that guy, and I just have an intellectual disagreement with that behavior. And I do not have anything against you or anyone else, I am sure you are a good man with a kind heart.
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Good points Sanju we should weigh the +s and the -s of the rep system, however you are missing the core of the complaints. Which is that people giving reds are usually (though not always) doing it as a personal attack (you suck, F*'s etc.), whereas every green that one receives is usually on subject matter (I have not seen a "you stud"!! kind of +ve reps ;) ).
Also, what it wrong for people to complain about the system? If people have the right to give reds, why shouldn't the forum be allowed to complain about it? And if the popular opinion is against it, then the system can be dismantled.
At both ends (the extreme left and the right) it is always "my way or the highway". Neither one recognizes that there are people with different view points, and that everyone should be given an opportunity to air their own views (live a life of their choosing etc.).
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24fps
02-27 06:12 PM
It is evident to anyone following this thread who hijacked it. I was only responding to the OP when you came here with your crappy comments about how people should not enforce personal morals on drug traffickers.
Why don't you explain to everyone how is telling the OP that we do not condone taking or selling drugs something of a personal opinion?
If your next post does not address the issue, then we all know who the real immature person is. Unless you have an answer, I will consider this case closed.
I am not answerable to an anonymous "internet toughie" who picks up fights on forums. it's evident that your understanding of the tonality in a professional response vis a vis a personal one is impaired albeit imponderable.
I shall not waste my time "coaching" the same.
[B]"then we all know who the real immature person is"
After your fiasco with Kumar, doesn't this whole forum apart from a few thousand scandalized visitors know who really enthrones "immaturity" here?
With this i end my diatribe with you mr internet toughie aka sledgehammer. lol
Why don't you explain to everyone how is telling the OP that we do not condone taking or selling drugs something of a personal opinion?
If your next post does not address the issue, then we all know who the real immature person is. Unless you have an answer, I will consider this case closed.
I am not answerable to an anonymous "internet toughie" who picks up fights on forums. it's evident that your understanding of the tonality in a professional response vis a vis a personal one is impaired albeit imponderable.
I shall not waste my time "coaching" the same.
[B]"then we all know who the real immature person is"
After your fiasco with Kumar, doesn't this whole forum apart from a few thousand scandalized visitors know who really enthrones "immaturity" here?
With this i end my diatribe with you mr internet toughie aka sledgehammer. lol
delhirocks
07-15 05:42 PM
Section 245(i) is a part of the INA. In 2001, this section was updated to allow people present illegally to submit a labor certification. This resulted in the DOL getting 6 years worth of applications in April 2001. These applications led to the establishment of the Backlog Elimination Centers and the PERM process. The applications filed 6 years ago are still being processed by the DOL..
That sucks..Thanks for the explanation
At this point I am neutral on the DREAM act. Before I can support the DREAM act you need to prove how it helps children of legal immigrants. I suspect there is more to your story than you are letting on. If you are 21 now, you would have been 19 in 2005 and well able to understand the consequences of becoming an illegal immigrant. As someone said the F1 was an option if you wanted to maintain legal status.
Iam in the very same position. I do not have kids and thus do little research on the acts pertaining to this situation. But I am all for doing my part, if someone can explain and provide relevant links on how this will impact the EB community. I have no qualms in admitting that Iam in IV only to support the EB cause (it also helps me). I do not want IV to take up a cause that will have a dilutive effect on EB cause.
That sucks..Thanks for the explanation
At this point I am neutral on the DREAM act. Before I can support the DREAM act you need to prove how it helps children of legal immigrants. I suspect there is more to your story than you are letting on. If you are 21 now, you would have been 19 in 2005 and well able to understand the consequences of becoming an illegal immigrant. As someone said the F1 was an option if you wanted to maintain legal status.
Iam in the very same position. I do not have kids and thus do little research on the acts pertaining to this situation. But I am all for doing my part, if someone can explain and provide relevant links on how this will impact the EB community. I have no qualms in admitting that Iam in IV only to support the EB cause (it also helps me). I do not want IV to take up a cause that will have a dilutive effect on EB cause.
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like_watching_paint_dry
02-27 04:23 PM
Since the CP guys are in minority here , if IV has to invest for them (read we all have to pay for them ) let us see how much they can contribute for their own provision. Let us see if each one of them contribute more than 500 dollars to IV and posts the paypal number.
Why should majority allow a provison for some minority who do not even want to first contribute.
It's not like IV is not addressing their problem with the current mandate. IV seeks to address the retrogression issue. If retrogression is addressed, it will benefit the minority CP filers just as much as the majority 485 filers.
These two (willwin and tinku) somehow fail to understand that big picture and are only interested in getting IV contributors to pay for their short term interests - all because they made a mistake, got greedy, gambled, thought they can beat the 485 filers to the finish line by going CP... bla-bla-bla.
Not on my dime.
Why should majority allow a provison for some minority who do not even want to first contribute.
It's not like IV is not addressing their problem with the current mandate. IV seeks to address the retrogression issue. If retrogression is addressed, it will benefit the minority CP filers just as much as the majority 485 filers.
These two (willwin and tinku) somehow fail to understand that big picture and are only interested in getting IV contributors to pay for their short term interests - all because they made a mistake, got greedy, gambled, thought they can beat the 485 filers to the finish line by going CP... bla-bla-bla.
Not on my dime.
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alisa
03-26 12:07 AM
Bumping this thread up above the garbage.
ItIsNotFunny
04-13 01:54 PM
Well .. there you go. When I predicted few weeks ago that there will be a big jump in the priority dates, some of us came up with big speeches about how that thread was a big waste of time and the thread should be closed. The thread in fact was closed without any explanation. It appears that there has been several occasions where moderators are just closing the threads without any explanation.
http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showthread.php?t=3820
Here is my suggestion.. don't close the thread just because you can. At least give some explanation as to why any thread was closed. I know there are threads that talk about personal issues faced by members and if that's not acceptable then all threads dealing with personal issues should be closed.
What amazes me is that person closing the thread doesn't even want to mention his/her id. What a shame ..
As I said on previous post. You get bonus marks :) :) :)
http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showthread.php?t=3820
Here is my suggestion.. don't close the thread just because you can. At least give some explanation as to why any thread was closed. I know there are threads that talk about personal issues faced by members and if that's not acceptable then all threads dealing with personal issues should be closed.
What amazes me is that person closing the thread doesn't even want to mention his/her id. What a shame ..
As I said on previous post. You get bonus marks :) :) :)
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Jimi_Hendrix
12-30 01:08 PM
Andy,
Did you mean September 2005 bulletin?
Now I assume there are 10,650 visas per country available from October 1, 2006; why the hell have priority dates for EB3 India moved by only 3 weeks? This is absolutely ridiculous.
Did you mean September 2005 bulletin?
Now I assume there are 10,650 visas per country available from October 1, 2006; why the hell have priority dates for EB3 India moved by only 3 weeks? This is absolutely ridiculous.
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bharol
08-10 01:47 AM
Waiting and hoping..
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GCBy3000
07-26 05:03 PM
for sure nebraska will revise it to 10/26 or later. I think they did not realize what they are getting into when they released the date last week.
thanks for posting the actual link...
http://www.uscis.gov/files/pressrele...mes27Jul07.pdf
even before USCIS did....
thanks for posting the actual link...
http://www.uscis.gov/files/pressrele...mes27Jul07.pdf
even before USCIS did....
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nag2007
10-15 10:35 AM
Nag, u r in a bad situation no doubt. But u had every chance to apply for labor via PERM as well (many of my friends did that) just to be on a safer side. So u r partially to be blamed for ur sorry state.
MY Company never wanted to allow another application through PERM.
MY Company never wanted to allow another application through PERM.
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permfiling
05-20 05:33 PM
I am in for the GC quota .
Member of North Calif
Donated : $500 so far
Member of North Calif
Donated : $500 so far
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bskrishna
03-18 10:01 AM
I think most ppl who sent a letter to white house should have sent to IV as well. So a count of letter that IV received should give us a good idea of how many ppl sent letters out...
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JunRN
08-22 11:22 PM
Eb3 will definitely retrogress by about 2 years. Maybe back to June 2002 or 2003.
tattoo and the Black Swan,
gbof
08-08 11:57 AM
To me, this all looks so irrelevant for AC21 users... when you changed GC sponsoring employer and have moved on with or without filing AC21..... I know most have stayed with sponsor for 180 days before moving on, to safe guard GC approval
Please, share your thoughts for AC21 users in context to citizenship ...
Please, share your thoughts for AC21 users in context to citizenship ...
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amsgc
05-15 12:40 PM
NH123:
1. Go to the home page
2. Click on the Forums tab in the menu on the left
3. Select the appropriate Section (Non Immigrant visas in your case)
4. Now click at the forum tools (top right corner). You will see an option to post a new thread in the drop down menu.
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I am asking this question in this thread as i dont know how to start new thread.
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1. Go to the home page
2. Click on the Forums tab in the menu on the left
3. Select the appropriate Section (Non Immigrant visas in your case)
4. Now click at the forum tools (top right corner). You will see an option to post a new thread in the drop down menu.
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I am asking this question in this thread as i dont know how to start new thread.
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uma001
06-07 12:06 PM
Stop worrying too much.This bill wont pass
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ganguteli
06-01 09:42 AM
When is this going for voting?
It is already been voted. (by you) and is sure to pass by a big majority vote :D
It is already been voted. (by you) and is sure to pass by a big majority vote :D
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nixstor
09-01 10:39 AM
It is not true that Many people have to wait 10+ years to get gc. May be some people might wait for 10 years because of frequent change of jobs , layoffs and also ignorance of green card processing. Most of the time EB2 waiting time is 2 to 3 years. Indian EB3 is in worst situation but only for past 2 years and before that everything was current. For that also most waiting persons filed I 485 because of July VB issue. In my opinion EB3 PD will be backdated up to 5 years.
Also there is no legistrative activity in Congress about any immigration issue. Always skil bill comes in limelight when congress is in Session. But everyone knows that skil bill is asking too much in H1b and immigration numbers because of exemptions and it will be very difficult task. But no one in pro immigrant community is ready to compromise on numbers. When Congress tries to curb the abuse of H1b even pro immigrants are opposing the bills without any suggestion of any alternatives. If some bill comes for only GC that too moderate increase in numbers that will have bright chance of passing in congress.
You should not expect any rally will produce meaningful reform. It has to be proved that additional immigrant and H1b numbers will produce more jobs and it should not create unemployment in americans.Just sufferings of gc waiters is not enough. My opinion is Rally will be used to show strength of IV and may educate public and Congress. But anti immigrants also doing Similar Campaign(not big rallies) by negative points of immigration. The same congress till the end of 2008 and I doubt they will consider any immigration issue till new congress comes in 2009 that is not too far from now. But it is always good to try all the time.
Before any reform comes most IV members may get GC.
This has been talked over and over. If you feel that the wait times are not INDEFINITE, great. Please go ahead, lean back and relax. If you know everything about whats going to happen, why even bother about Immigration issues or IV? Its not about showing off muscle. Wake up! Its about different people from different categories and countries stuck in a totally capricious system. Its about the system, arcane and antique law. Its not about any one particular person's PD, his/her category/country. There are people who are in EB2 with PD's 2002 and have not got their GC yet. Dream on and Smoke what ever you want.
Also there is no legistrative activity in Congress about any immigration issue. Always skil bill comes in limelight when congress is in Session. But everyone knows that skil bill is asking too much in H1b and immigration numbers because of exemptions and it will be very difficult task. But no one in pro immigrant community is ready to compromise on numbers. When Congress tries to curb the abuse of H1b even pro immigrants are opposing the bills without any suggestion of any alternatives. If some bill comes for only GC that too moderate increase in numbers that will have bright chance of passing in congress.
You should not expect any rally will produce meaningful reform. It has to be proved that additional immigrant and H1b numbers will produce more jobs and it should not create unemployment in americans.Just sufferings of gc waiters is not enough. My opinion is Rally will be used to show strength of IV and may educate public and Congress. But anti immigrants also doing Similar Campaign(not big rallies) by negative points of immigration. The same congress till the end of 2008 and I doubt they will consider any immigration issue till new congress comes in 2009 that is not too far from now. But it is always good to try all the time.
Before any reform comes most IV members may get GC.
This has been talked over and over. If you feel that the wait times are not INDEFINITE, great. Please go ahead, lean back and relax. If you know everything about whats going to happen, why even bother about Immigration issues or IV? Its not about showing off muscle. Wake up! Its about different people from different categories and countries stuck in a totally capricious system. Its about the system, arcane and antique law. Its not about any one particular person's PD, his/her category/country. There are people who are in EB2 with PD's 2002 and have not got their GC yet. Dream on and Smoke what ever you want.
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sreeni.k
11-03 02:49 PM
Its christmas time in vacation.. they want less work not more- my guess is it will be set back by couple of years- ..May be they think other way around; Christmas gift - move it forward by couple of years. :mad:
willgetgc2005
06-26 12:26 PM
Hello All,
I finally got my GC. Here are the details.
PD May 2002
EB3/India
I got welcome letter and then the card. I did not get approval notice.
People who got apporvals recently, can you share your experience.
Thank You.
I finally got my GC. Here are the details.
PD May 2002
EB3/India
I got welcome letter and then the card. I did not get approval notice.
People who got apporvals recently, can you share your experience.
Thank You.
gc_rip
07-02 04:06 PM
Medical : $885 (400 * 2 + 85 chest xray)
Birth Certificate : $120
+ pain for parents and brother to go and stand in line to get the documents.
Also the India tickets cancellation: 250*4 = $1000
Total above $2000.
Birth Certificate : $120
+ pain for parents and brother to go and stand in line to get the documents.
Also the India tickets cancellation: 250*4 = $1000
Total above $2000.
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