pns27
05-13 04:48 PM
siddar,
well said, you got couple of great points.
ashkam,
when a person applied his GC process 2002 EB3 with 3 years experience per say, another person 2004 EB2 with 5 years experience. How come EB2 guys is smarter then EB2. By the way lot of people in those days who applied under EB3 are well qualified and well educated. In my experience most of them are doing jobs that will easily comes under EB2.
The argument that Eb1 is preferred above Eb2 and BE2 is preferred over EB3 is absurd.
The regular yearly BE quota is distributed equally among all three categories, so then why they should not follow the same distribution for the overflow numbers?
Said that all BE3 applicants who are eligible should port there PD to EB2. Simple, when you know how the system works try to adapt to it.
Most of the EB3s who are in queue for more that 3 to 4 years may be eligible for EB2 porting (Assuming they got promotions and raises)
PNS27
PD: EB3 June 2002
well said, you got couple of great points.
ashkam,
when a person applied his GC process 2002 EB3 with 3 years experience per say, another person 2004 EB2 with 5 years experience. How come EB2 guys is smarter then EB2. By the way lot of people in those days who applied under EB3 are well qualified and well educated. In my experience most of them are doing jobs that will easily comes under EB2.
The argument that Eb1 is preferred above Eb2 and BE2 is preferred over EB3 is absurd.
The regular yearly BE quota is distributed equally among all three categories, so then why they should not follow the same distribution for the overflow numbers?
Said that all BE3 applicants who are eligible should port there PD to EB2. Simple, when you know how the system works try to adapt to it.
Most of the EB3s who are in queue for more that 3 to 4 years may be eligible for EB2 porting (Assuming they got promotions and raises)
PNS27
PD: EB3 June 2002
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pappu
02-23 08:25 AM
We are looking for several articles that we can publish in various newspapers and websites as the immigration debate heats up in the media.
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Opportunity (1)
We have an opportunity to write an article for a big Indian newspaper on our issues.
This article will also be published online and thus read by Indians in India, and NRI indians online.
The article should talk about the EB greencard problems and how it affect the lives of people who come to this country on H1B visas. Indian media it seems is confused on H1b visas and greencard process. They have on various occasions reported incorrect news on immigration legislation. Getting an H1B visa seems to be the be all and end all solution to come as a permananent resident of this country. While H1B visa is a non-immigrant visa, Greencard is the immigrant visa.
We want this article to solely focus on Greencards. The title can be like --"In Search of the Green Card". The article can be such that general public in India is educated and made aware of the struggles to achieve the coveted GC.
Make sure to write it as if you are a representative (member) of Immigration Voice and mention ImmigrationVoice name a few times in the article. Write aboout what immigration voice is doing to solve this problem and how this grassroots movement has grown nationwide and will enable a change in the broken immigrationsystem for high-skilled immigrants.
The deadline for writing this article in wednesday , Feb 28. Pls write the article and post it on this thread so that we can store these articles and others can read it too to comment.
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Opportunity (2)
We have few other opportunities to get it published by a media company and the articles are picked up by various ethinic media newspapers and websites for publication. Any interested IV member can write articles for this.
The article can be more focussed on the greencard problem and how it affects the lives of people here and american competitiveness. Why the system needs to be fixed and how a grassroots movement like IV can help this. You can include your personal story in this article too if you like. The target readers are american public and potential IV members.
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Opportunity (3)
We keep getting requests for articles so lets keep writing articles and store on this thread. Iv will try to get them published for you.
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A new thread is created so that everyone can notice it. I will be merging this thread with 'calling IV members with good writing skills in a few days'.
we want more people to write these articles and store on this thread.
----------------
Opportunity (1)
We have an opportunity to write an article for a big Indian newspaper on our issues.
This article will also be published online and thus read by Indians in India, and NRI indians online.
The article should talk about the EB greencard problems and how it affect the lives of people who come to this country on H1B visas. Indian media it seems is confused on H1b visas and greencard process. They have on various occasions reported incorrect news on immigration legislation. Getting an H1B visa seems to be the be all and end all solution to come as a permananent resident of this country. While H1B visa is a non-immigrant visa, Greencard is the immigrant visa.
We want this article to solely focus on Greencards. The title can be like --"In Search of the Green Card". The article can be such that general public in India is educated and made aware of the struggles to achieve the coveted GC.
Make sure to write it as if you are a representative (member) of Immigration Voice and mention ImmigrationVoice name a few times in the article. Write aboout what immigration voice is doing to solve this problem and how this grassroots movement has grown nationwide and will enable a change in the broken immigrationsystem for high-skilled immigrants.
The deadline for writing this article in wednesday , Feb 28. Pls write the article and post it on this thread so that we can store these articles and others can read it too to comment.
============
Opportunity (2)
We have few other opportunities to get it published by a media company and the articles are picked up by various ethinic media newspapers and websites for publication. Any interested IV member can write articles for this.
The article can be more focussed on the greencard problem and how it affects the lives of people here and american competitiveness. Why the system needs to be fixed and how a grassroots movement like IV can help this. You can include your personal story in this article too if you like. The target readers are american public and potential IV members.
================
Opportunity (3)
We keep getting requests for articles so lets keep writing articles and store on this thread. Iv will try to get them published for you.
====================
A new thread is created so that everyone can notice it. I will be merging this thread with 'calling IV members with good writing skills in a few days'.
we want more people to write these articles and store on this thread.
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sidbee
01-14 08:42 PM
`Sec. 245B. (a) In General- The Secretary of Homeland Security may adjust the status of an alien to that of an alien lawfully admitted for permanent residence if the alien--
`(1) was physically present in the United States for a continuous period of not less than 5 years immediately preceding the date on which this provision was enacted and has maintained continuous physical presence since then.
This if i am reading and understanding right may not be too bad. Let me kow if i am missing anything......
I think its only 1 time amnesty to all aliens who were present 5 years from date of enactment of this law, if it becomes a law.
`(1) was physically present in the United States for a continuous period of not less than 5 years immediately preceding the date on which this provision was enacted and has maintained continuous physical presence since then.
This if i am reading and understanding right may not be too bad. Let me kow if i am missing anything......
I think its only 1 time amnesty to all aliens who were present 5 years from date of enactment of this law, if it becomes a law.
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indyanguy
01-22 12:28 PM
I don't think any analysis is done. That is only going to divide the community.
Some would say preference be given to EB category benefiting EB2(I&C).
Some would say PD should be given preference predominantly benefiting EB3(I).
If they follow the current spill-over rules, as you are aware, EB category would be given preference.
Thanks for the reply. I am not sure how that will divide the community. As per USCIS laws currently, the spillover is horizontal. Based on this assumption, will EB3-I get any visas if the recapture is successful?
Some would say preference be given to EB category benefiting EB2(I&C).
Some would say PD should be given preference predominantly benefiting EB3(I).
If they follow the current spill-over rules, as you are aware, EB category would be given preference.
Thanks for the reply. I am not sure how that will divide the community. As per USCIS laws currently, the spillover is horizontal. Based on this assumption, will EB3-I get any visas if the recapture is successful?
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jonty_11
10-12 02:35 PM
This posting is not to dishearten anyone but to make everyone aware of the obstacles on the path. I followed up on Science article and talked to Jim Austin, the
lead for ScienceCareer efforts of Science journal group. The baseline of my conversation goes as: there is limited funding, limited opportunities even for US born scientists, then is it wise to "import on permanent basis" scientists from abroad?Yes, it is good to have the best here, but what we (USA) require is education and training of US-born first ...
Take home message for us guys is this: These are the people the congress hears out first when they want to make policy changes. These are the people who were able to convince NIH to double its funding in 5 years time a couple of years back. These are the people who are now saying that there is no job and money for US-born, so first get more fundingand training for us citizens, before you get foreigners to carry out research ...
It is obvious that the issue is becoming more and more acrimonious, entangled with a lot of other issues - both political and economic. Unless the retrogressed are willing to take this to heart and put up an intense effort, in coming years the matter is going to get worse. Next few months could be the only ***healthy*** window of time to achieve a remedy for retrogression. Not only the economy is driving anti-highskillimmigration groups more vocal, we are slowly finding the pro-immigrant support base thinning out because of very bad fiscal situations.
It may be true that people would want their own to be trained and educated rather than getting highly skilled people from outside the borders. However, the question we raise is not abt getting more people from outside, but is it wise to deny PR to thousands highly educated folks who are already here and stand to loose them for a vision of educating US born people which may take several years to reap fruition, while those immigrants may decide to go elsewhere for a stabler life.
lead for ScienceCareer efforts of Science journal group. The baseline of my conversation goes as: there is limited funding, limited opportunities even for US born scientists, then is it wise to "import on permanent basis" scientists from abroad?Yes, it is good to have the best here, but what we (USA) require is education and training of US-born first ...
Take home message for us guys is this: These are the people the congress hears out first when they want to make policy changes. These are the people who were able to convince NIH to double its funding in 5 years time a couple of years back. These are the people who are now saying that there is no job and money for US-born, so first get more fundingand training for us citizens, before you get foreigners to carry out research ...
It is obvious that the issue is becoming more and more acrimonious, entangled with a lot of other issues - both political and economic. Unless the retrogressed are willing to take this to heart and put up an intense effort, in coming years the matter is going to get worse. Next few months could be the only ***healthy*** window of time to achieve a remedy for retrogression. Not only the economy is driving anti-highskillimmigration groups more vocal, we are slowly finding the pro-immigrant support base thinning out because of very bad fiscal situations.
It may be true that people would want their own to be trained and educated rather than getting highly skilled people from outside the borders. However, the question we raise is not abt getting more people from outside, but is it wise to deny PR to thousands highly educated folks who are already here and stand to loose them for a vision of educating US born people which may take several years to reap fruition, while those immigrants may decide to go elsewhere for a stabler life.
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gc28262
01-23 12:06 PM
Ron says it will be current for a "brief" period. (similar to july 2007 fiasco ?)
It will be a good opportunity for people waiting to file 485. For people already in the queue, it may not make that much difference.
It will be a good opportunity for people waiting to file 485. For people already in the queue, it may not make that much difference.
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ssinha63
06-13 11:50 PM
My son was on H4 and joined undergraduate course in Canada last year. He is Canadian permanent resident too. As per July VB, I can file for I-485. My question is:
1. Can I and my wife file I-485 as AOS and file I-824 to change AOS to CP for my son, so that he may file I-485 as CP from US Consulate, Montreal, Canada?
2. If not, what are the options?
Thanks!
ssinha63
PD Apr'04
I-140 approved
1. Can I and my wife file I-485 as AOS and file I-824 to change AOS to CP for my son, so that he may file I-485 as CP from US Consulate, Montreal, Canada?
2. If not, what are the options?
Thanks!
ssinha63
PD Apr'04
I-140 approved
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06-25 04:21 PM
They hushed up and approved my EAD in 20 days. Why ???? 'cos So they don't hit Jun'30 and give 2 years. They wanted to milk another 680 from me so they hushed up and sent me the 1 year EAD in 20 days.
I guess we all have problems with USCIS, either with their inefficiency (eg. receipt delays during July Fiasco), or sometime with their super efficiency (EAD's getting approved too fast):D
I guess we all have problems with USCIS, either with their inefficiency (eg. receipt delays during July Fiasco), or sometime with their super efficiency (EAD's getting approved too fast):D
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gaz
04-20 12:01 PM
it is the job profile that dictates whether the case is eb2 or eb3 - the applicant should meet the criteria for the job. not the other way around.
My advice to most people who do not perfectly fit into eb2 is to do the eb3 petition first (which is guaranteed to be approved). Get your place in line for the greencard.
If it is taking too long then you can try an eb2 later; if it gets approved then you will get the old priority date. If it doesn't; well you can say you tried but you didn't lost your place in line for the greencard because you still have the old eb3 in place.
However, if your cases is not clear for eb2 and you try this first and it gets denied then you will lose valuable time in line for the greencard because you have to start from the beginning.
Since, last august DOL has become weird with even approving eb3 labors. Generally, attornies will put language in the eta 9089 that they will accept three years of experience for each year of bachelors degree missing (this is in line with education evaluators and uscis).
However, this isn't the same criteria DOL uses. They will state that if a person doesn't have a degree then you are willing to accept 12 years of experience which is excessive and they deny the labor (before they were giving hard time to eb2 but not it is eb3 that they are after). So now we have an issue that DOL criteria is different then uscis critera. You use dol criteria, labor gets approved but 140 gets denied. Use uscis criteria and labor gets denied. Now, everyone has to adjust and file eb3 labors as skilled workers and only require two years of experience (it's getting more and more messy)
My advice to most people who do not perfectly fit into eb2 is to do the eb3 petition first (which is guaranteed to be approved). Get your place in line for the greencard.
If it is taking too long then you can try an eb2 later; if it gets approved then you will get the old priority date. If it doesn't; well you can say you tried but you didn't lost your place in line for the greencard because you still have the old eb3 in place.
However, if your cases is not clear for eb2 and you try this first and it gets denied then you will lose valuable time in line for the greencard because you have to start from the beginning.
Since, last august DOL has become weird with even approving eb3 labors. Generally, attornies will put language in the eta 9089 that they will accept three years of experience for each year of bachelors degree missing (this is in line with education evaluators and uscis).
However, this isn't the same criteria DOL uses. They will state that if a person doesn't have a degree then you are willing to accept 12 years of experience which is excessive and they deny the labor (before they were giving hard time to eb2 but not it is eb3 that they are after). So now we have an issue that DOL criteria is different then uscis critera. You use dol criteria, labor gets approved but 140 gets denied. Use uscis criteria and labor gets denied. Now, everyone has to adjust and file eb3 labors as skilled workers and only require two years of experience (it's getting more and more messy)
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nlssubbu
08-22 06:49 PM
My understanding was that once the 485 is filed, you go by RD. It doesn't matter what your PD is...
Does anyone know what the legislation is?
First your PD has to be current for USCIS to look into your RD.
Does anyone know what the legislation is?
First your PD has to be current for USCIS to look into your RD.
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franklin
09-25 07:25 PM
I love how the majority of these "new" ideas are coming from people who didn't attend either rallies!
Good to see we have sparked some forward motion with more people becoming engaged
In reality, a few of the suggestions were carried out both in San Jose and in DC.
Good to see we have sparked some forward motion with more people becoming engaged
In reality, a few of the suggestions were carried out both in San Jose and in DC.
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somegchuh
07-22 01:40 PM
That's exactly my point. I am not saying one should not go to India. Canada is really an option for those who have spent a significant part of life in US and for personal reasons would like to live in Canada.
That having been said, I would lile to hear experiences from those who have moved to canada or who have "real" friends who have moved from US. I am not interested in hearsay.
If you have moved from US to canada and had a bad experience please post it because we should know what to be prepared for.
I have heard the following -ve things about canada.
1. Smaller economy
2. Fewer IT jobs
3. Require licensure in other fields
I think the above are true but I want to hear real stories.
1. What kind of software co.s are there.
2. What kind of IT support organizations(bank/healthcare/manufacturing) are there.
3. What skill sets are in demand.
4. How hard is it to land interviews.
5. What kind of interviews can one expect
What are the +ve things about canada?
1. Freedom to choose profession
2. Freedom for wife to worl
3. Cheaper housing.
4. Anything else?
Let's keep the ideas flowing ....
Here is what people forget in this debate. They point out disadvantages of Canada over US. Fewer jobs, High taxes, extreme cold etc.
No doubt US is better than Canada for most people. That is why US is our first choice and Canada is backup - not the other way around.
We arent talking about people who have a choice here. If you had choice between US GC and Canadian PR we would always choose US blind folded.
But we are people without much choice. Yes we have choice to go back to India, and it may be a good choice for thoise who have come recently and have work exp in India. But some of us have spent 10 plus yrs in the US, have US degrees, never worked in India etc. For us it is extremely difficult to move back to India when we dont have a days work exp there. Ofcourse if you are SC/ST or OBC o reserved category your kids have great future there but not for other "normal" people.
So what other choice do we have. Well English speaking countries you can migrate to and who are taking people as PR's are:
1) CANADA
2) AUSTRALIA
3) NEW ZEALAND
4) SINGAPORE
5) UK.
UK is very difficult to go to as PR. The points required are extremely high. Unless you have MBA from top 10 school or make over 100 K it is difficult.
Singapore is a good option also, but cost of living is high and you can only apply for PR after working in Singapore for 3 plus yrs. Also Singapore is not a democracy.
New Zealand economy is 10 times worse than Canada
That leaves Australia and Canada. Well Canada is closer to US, but Australia has better weather. Canada is less racist but Australia has cricket :).
So bottom line is conduct this discussion as if US is not the option. If we could stay here with PR for sure we wouldnt even be having this discussion.
That having been said, I would lile to hear experiences from those who have moved to canada or who have "real" friends who have moved from US. I am not interested in hearsay.
If you have moved from US to canada and had a bad experience please post it because we should know what to be prepared for.
I have heard the following -ve things about canada.
1. Smaller economy
2. Fewer IT jobs
3. Require licensure in other fields
I think the above are true but I want to hear real stories.
1. What kind of software co.s are there.
2. What kind of IT support organizations(bank/healthcare/manufacturing) are there.
3. What skill sets are in demand.
4. How hard is it to land interviews.
5. What kind of interviews can one expect
What are the +ve things about canada?
1. Freedom to choose profession
2. Freedom for wife to worl
3. Cheaper housing.
4. Anything else?
Let's keep the ideas flowing ....
Here is what people forget in this debate. They point out disadvantages of Canada over US. Fewer jobs, High taxes, extreme cold etc.
No doubt US is better than Canada for most people. That is why US is our first choice and Canada is backup - not the other way around.
We arent talking about people who have a choice here. If you had choice between US GC and Canadian PR we would always choose US blind folded.
But we are people without much choice. Yes we have choice to go back to India, and it may be a good choice for thoise who have come recently and have work exp in India. But some of us have spent 10 plus yrs in the US, have US degrees, never worked in India etc. For us it is extremely difficult to move back to India when we dont have a days work exp there. Ofcourse if you are SC/ST or OBC o reserved category your kids have great future there but not for other "normal" people.
So what other choice do we have. Well English speaking countries you can migrate to and who are taking people as PR's are:
1) CANADA
2) AUSTRALIA
3) NEW ZEALAND
4) SINGAPORE
5) UK.
UK is very difficult to go to as PR. The points required are extremely high. Unless you have MBA from top 10 school or make over 100 K it is difficult.
Singapore is a good option also, but cost of living is high and you can only apply for PR after working in Singapore for 3 plus yrs. Also Singapore is not a democracy.
New Zealand economy is 10 times worse than Canada
That leaves Australia and Canada. Well Canada is closer to US, but Australia has better weather. Canada is less racist but Australia has cricket :).
So bottom line is conduct this discussion as if US is not the option. If we could stay here with PR for sure we wouldnt even be having this discussion.
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03-28 08:57 AM
Guys,
First of all, please be decent to each other. Now, to the PBEC issue - this is a major problem, and a huge issue for all of us. Currently, the debate in Senate/Congress is centered around Immigration reform and this is a definitely a good time to raise these issues.
There are a few things we should strive for:
1. Keep all provisions of Specter's bill related to EB.
2. Re-instate per country soft limit.
If both of these provisions are passed, Priority dates for all countries will be current in EB2 and will rapidly move in EB3. A lot of folks in PBEC might be able to use PERM to apply another labor and priority dates will loose their importance, so it is important that these provisions pass.
This is just the kind of disingenuous logic we do not want. To suggest that folks stuck at PBEC should just file PERM is (a) just like asking people to drink coke instead of tackling water scarcity (b) reflective of the ignorance of the situation faced by many stuck at PBEC.
Note that IV has a stated goal of solving the BEC issue (6th listed goal on the homepage). The goal is not to make light of the BEC problem by using apparently simple but false logic; the goal is to resolve the BEC mess.
Do not try to play down what is important to others and hijack the agenda to suit your problems. We have all come together behind each of the stated goals of IV. Let's keep it that way.
First of all, please be decent to each other. Now, to the PBEC issue - this is a major problem, and a huge issue for all of us. Currently, the debate in Senate/Congress is centered around Immigration reform and this is a definitely a good time to raise these issues.
There are a few things we should strive for:
1. Keep all provisions of Specter's bill related to EB.
2. Re-instate per country soft limit.
If both of these provisions are passed, Priority dates for all countries will be current in EB2 and will rapidly move in EB3. A lot of folks in PBEC might be able to use PERM to apply another labor and priority dates will loose their importance, so it is important that these provisions pass.
This is just the kind of disingenuous logic we do not want. To suggest that folks stuck at PBEC should just file PERM is (a) just like asking people to drink coke instead of tackling water scarcity (b) reflective of the ignorance of the situation faced by many stuck at PBEC.
Note that IV has a stated goal of solving the BEC issue (6th listed goal on the homepage). The goal is not to make light of the BEC problem by using apparently simple but false logic; the goal is to resolve the BEC mess.
Do not try to play down what is important to others and hijack the agenda to suit your problems. We have all come together behind each of the stated goals of IV. Let's keep it that way.
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05-02 12:36 AM
hahaha...good one belmont boy
Yes my note was for humor.
But to answer questions :
out of all useful land , I guess africa has lots of uninhabited land!, so someone would not mind selling! Its not to offend anyone. I have great respect for africans, being aware that we come from them!
Me being an indian upper class guy, and this OBC thing going on back home, I dont think I belong to that country that much, where me/my children will be discreminated against!!!
So dont you guys now think we need our OWN country???
Yes my note was for humor.
But to answer questions :
out of all useful land , I guess africa has lots of uninhabited land!, so someone would not mind selling! Its not to offend anyone. I have great respect for africans, being aware that we come from them!
Me being an indian upper class guy, and this OBC thing going on back home, I dont think I belong to that country that much, where me/my children will be discreminated against!!!
So dont you guys now think we need our OWN country???
suriajay12
03-18 08:20 AM
This can create fights amoung us. This is like divide and rule.. It did work in the past,. so we must make these guys do EB2 and EB3.
BUT they bring some very good points.
EB3 will go nowhere unless we act. Very Correct.
They want to do something and looks like decided with a plan.
There is a chance many EB3 Indians getting influenced as they too dont see any hope and there is nothing happening from IV in last 1 year except one or two in last 1 week.
Writing to service centers is a new idea even I didnt get so far.
So are we seeing these guys very soon in white.,. lets see.
BUT they bring some very good points.
EB3 will go nowhere unless we act. Very Correct.
They want to do something and looks like decided with a plan.
There is a chance many EB3 Indians getting influenced as they too dont see any hope and there is nothing happening from IV in last 1 year except one or two in last 1 week.
Writing to service centers is a new idea even I didnt get so far.
So are we seeing these guys very soon in white.,. lets see.
h1techSlave
10-14 12:21 PM
We can collectively do some thing.
I am exactly doing the same thing that anandrajesh mentioned above. I have my tickets booked for Nov 21st and its already more than 60 days for me. I have called them to expedite it. will be faxing the documents and letter to local congressman and uscis ombudsman today. I am not even sure why we pay so much of money to these people and do all this to just do their work. But what can we do, we are at their mercy.
I am exactly doing the same thing that anandrajesh mentioned above. I have my tickets booked for Nov 21st and its already more than 60 days for me. I have called them to expedite it. will be faxing the documents and letter to local congressman and uscis ombudsman today. I am not even sure why we pay so much of money to these people and do all this to just do their work. But what can we do, we are at their mercy.
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