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  • ronhira
    07-21 10:27 PM
    this guy doggystyle piss me off, i had other things to do and was not going to attend, but he made sure that i attend and expose incompetency of these impotent people. bottom line - donna wants to be the one to testify to the congress, she wants to be famous. others are idiots and can't see this. here is what happened - total waste of time. doddy is right, could not hear more than 5 distinct voices, they use different ids to make it appear that the whole world is anti immigrant, they even said that on the call, bunch of losers

    donna – put in talking points for each article.
    kevin – don’t want to look artificial
    donna – yes, no copying pasting,
    don’t want to put ourself apart from other american in it . the good thing is republicans are on the message and this is what democrats don’t know how to do. democrats are very articulate, but do not stay on the message
    core point of the talking points, want to attack h1b only, that’s the core – we are fighting to apply in jobs in our own country
    remember, the business week will post link to these h1b only wanted ads
    you will not see an american who’ll be happy to see these ads
    goto Bright Future Jobs (
    durbin bill will not do enough, will only prevent these h1s to come here. but after durbin bill pass, anyone can send this job. in order to apply for a job in nj one has to through pune, india. they ask new h1b to sign bond contract, and if they leave before 18 months, they will ask to pay the fee. this is bond contract which is illegal in america since long time.
    kevin – ha ha ha indentured servants
    donna – exactly, ha ha, and durbin will prevent this bond contract, if u click on h1b wanted ads
    #7 ads says no degree required
    #8 ads this is a govt. contract and the company is minority owned - the reason we attack minority owned or woman owned company is, it’s difficult to get this status and they are violating the spirit in which they got the minority status. there is a large number of unemployed h1b, the corporation made a solemn commitment to the us americans, government and to the foreign nationals – the corporations made the commitment to pay the individual and if they let them go or fire, they fly them home. what is going on is aila is recommending to companies that they essentially intimidate h1b when they let them go, making them sign a letter that they refuse to take ticket to fly back home. this is very very important for us to know and attack
    one thing that most people don’t know - the indentured comes from the bond contract – the guest workers, h1b, will be never be deported, because, under the law, theoretically, they r never suppose to become illegal. the only people who r deportable r illegals.
    some lady voice – this is not a civil and not a criminal offense
    donna – no, because it’s the fault of the cos, bcoz the company did not fly them home. and this is one issue that doesn’t get represented in the media. h1b – that doesn’t have job, most important thing to post is – attack that u don’t have job and can’t apply for job
    the exploitation which bw is writing about can only occur when these companies can bypass us – the solution to this lies – when companies are forced to hire her
    another stupid woman – yes, the it was invented here
    kevin – yes, for green card, lawyers find ways around the process
    donna – corporation is finding work around to hire american worker,

    door bell rings… that stupid woman answering door and cause disturbance for 5 minutes, opening door, dog barking, bragging to the mail man about being on a big “conference call”….

    donna - the unifying thing is – corporations are ignoring us to find legal ways to ignore us.
    stupid woman - how to answer them on the forums
    kevin – just basically reply, and reply, and we have overwhelming numbers on our side
    when u see their comments, they have high volume for 1 or 2 days, and then they r gone. we continue to post comments sometimes use different ids and make it look like we are many of us.
    donna – we r not going to win the posting game, we don’t want to win the posting game
    we are positing similar information, and this alerts the journalist and we have to filter our messages, say we have 20 votes about the bypass of the talent, 20 points about the employment discrimination, we will alert discrimination whom we will refer to these articles,
    nyt – article got 1000 posts, and passed to other online journals,
    as soon as i started, 1 generalist quoted me and then got quoted more
    so the journalist who wrote the article, and those who comes afterwards, they read the post, that is important. we want generalist to read our comments, that we cannot apply for the job, and there is employment discrimination
    kevin – you can also send reporters direct emails, i emailed moira of bw - direct emails, and that’s how we got bw article
    donna – remember we have a track. after labor day, this is going to be up for discussion, btw, don’t even replicate u’r opponents phrases or never repeat u’r opposition is saying about yourself, so don’t say that there is no qualified americans, say we have over abundance of skill talent, in other words over supply, never say shortage, because u’ll otherwise saying opposition’s message about you. doesn’t anybody… do we want to have a discussion on that.
    kevin – we do not have to be dignified in our response
    donna - there is not a human on this planet who will believe that there are “want” ads that say –americans need not apply – that will create outrage.
    buddy – can i ask a question, i click on an add, it goes to indeed, so this is pulled from rss feed
    buddy – so i have many friends on facebook, i can tell them about these ads.
    donna – exactly, so the jobs r there but we cannot apply for those jobs. we have doj is making a ground breaking case between ‘employment right and it
    silly woman – i’ve been it manager, and know many american who
    btw – u’r emotional truth will move people. these people have over qualified beyond the job we are positing, and they do not get hired, and that’s the pattern. years ago, we barely know the material, and we learned on the job, and now it’s the other way around, we know it and we are over qualified
    another stupid guy - they fake resumes, and they say on the resumes that they know about oracle rake and unix admin, but they don’t know anything
    donna - we are laying the groundwork about the washington beltway mentality, if have to make it look like that employer deliberately pst ads
    everyone here on the call has historical record, honest to god. i have a good news, we r standing up for ourself, to tell this story of bypassing the american talent, and that’s what brighfuture jobs is about. that’s what durbin bill will do for us. there are couple of people who will focus on foreign citizens. two things (1.) they will hear from us, and (2.) whether we need guest workers at all, will be taken by afl-cio will pick up. but what we will do, we have absolute unique role to play, we will explain how the culture the bypass impacts us, and the culture of exploitation impacts us. we r the only once in the country who can tell this. there is going to be a discussion in beltway about “whether”, but american worker and american it professionals
    no one said that - no foreign worker can come here – that’s not the message – it’s the bypass and exploitation.
    donna - no there will be a discussion about no foreign work can come
    don’t ever say – h1b is when a qualified american worker can not be found. we have to say that h1b law is about the bypass the american worker – the “discussion” will be about commission – anybody heard about that. the unions are setting commission whether or not we need guest workers – theoretically, and we will come up with the stories, boots on the gound, to show them the data the fuel, makes sense? they can have their tea and whatever stuff, and we will bring the bonfire.
    kevin – that nyt story about that google supposedly employee, we have to post messages there,
    we have to say that – there will not be an american and naturalized citizen, who say -that its ok to exploitation. there is deep deep discussion about who is an american. alf_cio has broken the opposition, but they r talking theoretically, and we r giving boots on the ground –
    employers r not giving us the opportunity to compete – it’s the responsibility of federal govt that we are able to compete.
    buddy – most of these jobs are it. someone in background in it can pick up even if there is new technology, but we r shut out by people with lower skills
    donna -you r wrong, u r not shut down by people with lower skills, but by corporations
    buddy – say 4 h1b workers replacing 1 american workers, they network, and team up to help each other
    donna - no, u can argue the cheap, that’s ok, but u cannot argue about losing the right to compete. americans love cheap labor, but we have to focus on americans not being able to compete, its not about low wages.
    mike – if u’r real american u cannot work for the 3rd world rates
    donna – if u’r real american, u’ll make that corporation compete for these jobs locally. if u want americans, u want to create competition amongst americans here.
    when a blackman would work for 10 cents, and white man work for $10, they would choose whiteman, they choose whiteman – because they were
    so if u want to argue about wages, that’s cool, u r telling people u’r competing for the job. but the focus has to be on the right to compete.
    this guy rajiv was replaced by h1b when he was on h1b. ha ha ha (everyone laughs)
    find an american who don’t think its ok to find the people to right to compete. we have not said this to the lawmakers. the moment we tell this to the lawmakers, they will be 100% on our side

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  • Eternal_Hope
    07-08 07:49 PM
    I'm going to say this once more. As much as we try, we cannot bring the Indian community under one umbrella to act together. It's a pipe dream and not achievable. I've experienced every possible Indian specimen there is in the Bay Area. Indian community in US can NEVER be like the jewish or hispanic community. What we need is representation in the corridor of power (AKA Congress/ Senate), period. No number of phone calls from mere mortals like us will equate to one phone call from big-wigs such as Vinod Khosla or Indra Nooyi.

    If you are wondering if I have done anything, here's my contribution.

    I approached the CEO of my company to raise my concern. My CEO was graceful and said that the government relations team in my org was already working in Washington D.C to address retrogression issues. I was given an internal point of contact who briefed me on the effort. Call it their need or greed, the "white man" seems to be more helpful in this regard.

    There is no "single best strategy" - Microsoft's Ex-Chairman has testified to the Congress many times and it has been well covered in the media.

    Your efforts are very well appreciated. There needs to be multi efforts, IV's efforts being just one of them. There is no stopping people to take initiatives at the State Chapter levels. What we need is more motivated leaders like Pappu, Logic_Life, Aman, Paskal, NeedHelp!, ...................., and a lot of support from common people like us ............

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  • mariner5555
    11-18 05:58 AM
    Vowww... what a wishful thinking.
    Definitely nobody would have thought giving Green Cards to Legal Immigrants who are making renting industry thrive can also solve US Housing Slump.

    Next time, they may even see a possibility if giving Green Cards can also solve Global Warming!!!!

    You know actually it can happen with majority of desis driving green vehicles (honda/toyota).
    it is not wishful thinking ..dumbo is a good idea but it doesnt / wont have much support as community is divided and happy with its ead.
    money makes the mare go in this world ..say if the immigration community was united and if we were to lobby with the builders and car dealers who make contribution to the politicians then lot of bills would have passed behind the scenes ..earliar h1-b was for 6 years only did the extension come ..behind the scenes the business lobby worked secretly.


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  • brawn81
    05-12 11:54 AM
    Obama playing games with immigration - (

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  • greyhair
    01-27 06:29 AM
    It looks like guys from AP are running away from all the mess their state is currently in. On one hand there's that YSR's son trying to create havoc for the ruling Govt. His dad and himself being the most corrupt politicians the state has ever seen. On the other hand, there's this filthy congress high command trying to counter him. Its like CORRUPT1 vs CORRUPT2 trying to get the throne so that they can remain CORRUPT. And in the wings are parties like TDP, TRS and PRP --- Really, is there a political party in AP (or even India) where one can call it corrupt free? ha ha

    I'm not a gulti, but I don't think u can really blame them :). Unfortunate but true :mad:


    buddyinsd is a paki, not that there is anything wrong with it. But he is usually attacking people from AP in his attempt to create a rift between people who come from different places. Don't fall in his trap, he is making provocative statements to make people fight with each other.


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  • sam_hoosier
    12-27 10:45 AM

    With the current rate of outsourcing happening around in US and the rate of influx of temporary workers coming in on mostly L1 and may be few on H1 B Visas every year through the outsourcing companies , i am sceptical about the future of GC aspirants. With the way of GC processing happening which are caused by restrictions /policies of governing bodies and no sight of positive relief in near future i am little apprehensive about the future.

    I feel that there might be no areas that are not impacted by Outsourcing boom . Most of the companies that i see and my friends work ,i see many of the operations are outsourced or planning in place to get outsourced.

    with the current rate of outsourcing and subprime mess which may cause slow down in economy , i am not sure if there would be any positions to support our AOS , when our PD becomes current. Some times i think , the fight for GC is even worth it.

    Every one feel free to post your views/opinions/Analysis on this topic ....

    The impact of outsourcing (if any) would only be on lower level software/IT jobs which are getting sent to cheaper destinations. However the GC applicant pool is much wider than just IT/software programmers, so overall the impact would be smaller.

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  • permfiling
    02-08 05:44 PM
    Having said all this, I think it is safe to stay for a few months and then move on.. Wehave waited for nearly a decade.. what's the problem in staying for 4 months or so.. just take a vacation and go to India.. A month will go while in India, couple of months in planning and another month in recovering from Jet lag.. there you go.. it is 4 months now..

    My cousin took a offer from a employer in CA who who did her H1 transfer but the condition mentioned in the agreement is that

    In the event the employee voluntarily resigns or her employment is terminated for performance or cause prior to 3 years, employee agrees to reimburse the "Employer" for the full amount of legal, administrative and filing fees associated with the sponsorship of the employee's work visas as permitted by law.

    The employer won't do premium processing so my cousin paid $1000 on her own but she had to travel outside the country to canada to get a new I-94. The employer's law firm filed the paper work with canada embassy in US to get a canadian visa.

    Now my cousin got her GC through her hubby which her employer does not know .

    The employment laws in CA are different in the sense that all these agreements are not valid so how can she move (if moves within 3 yrs) to another company without paying anything or a little fee to the employer. I told her that H1-B fees are not too high maybe around $4000.00 so the employer will have to spend lot of money on the lawyer's to go to court to suit her if she left say after 2 years of employment as she feels that the agreement is one sided considering the time line.


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  • GodBlessYou
    04-01 07:17 PM

    I am not sure what the issue is with your account. I know Siva has been really busy. Can you, as a quick fix, create a new account and fax from that?


    OK Done !! sent two faxes!!

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  • rolrblade
    07-19 10:44 AM
    I Pmed you all the information, then you go silent. I am getting ready to board a plane in 20 mins and will be unavailable for an hour and half.

    PM me back if you need help.

    Just trying to help you dude! Dont ask for help and disappear!


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  • anandrajesh
    08-01 12:05 PM
    mine reached at 7:55 am ...still no receipt :(
    mine reached at 9.01 am, no receipt as yet. :(
    Should i expect the Receipt Notice today???

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  • GCwaitforever
    11-16 02:30 PM
    Forward discriminatory job posting to "" for corrective action by Dice.

    Conversation with Dice:

    Hi xxxxxxxxx,

    We actively monitor the site for discrimination and address them on an
    individual basis. It is the responsibility of the employer to not
    discriminate in their postings and many of them do not realize that they
    are being discriminatory. We are constantly working with employers to
    make sure they are in compliance with the EEOC guidelines to give them a
    heads up as the Justice Department is also monitoring the job boards. As
    you can imagine, this is a never ending task.

    If you find a particular posting, please forward the posting to us at
    "" and we will address it.

    Since the employers are responsible for their own postings, you will not
    receive a reply from our legal department as we are not liable.

    Have a great day!

    xxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxx
    Customer Compliance Specialist
    Dice, Inc.
    Phone: 1-888-xxx-xxxx xyyyy
    Fax: 1-xxx-xxx-xxxx

    -----Original Message-----
    From: xxxxxxxxx
    Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 2:42 AM
    To: xxxxxxxx
    Subject: Contact Dice Message

    First Name:xxxxxxxxx
    Last Name:xxxxxxxxx

    Many of the job advertisements on DICE start with a restriction - US
    citizen only, USC or GC only etc ... Only some of these advertisements
    genuinely require a security clearance and hence applicable to US
    citizens only. Rest of the advertisements are *** DISCRIMINATORY *** for
    foreign nationals. Definitely this is a fertile ground for class action
    suit by a competent attortney. Please ensure your clients follow the
    law. Do not let law breakers post on your web site by coming up with
    some point system and penalizing the offenders by removing their ad or
    banning them after repeat offenses.

    Please look at EEOC web site (specifically foreign nationals section) to
    understand current law. I will be waiting for reply from your legal
    team, before I take any further action.


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  • rpat1968
    02-21 01:37 PM
    Yesterday night at 9:00pm I got email from CRIS that they have issued RFE for me and my spouse.

    The contents in the emails say -


    Current Status: Request for Additional Evidence Sent"

    Will have to wait and see what the RFE is about till we get it in postal mail.

    Very curious about what the RFE is about. Have been with the same employer who sponsored the GC for last 5 years. PD in july 2004 , I140-EB2 approved approved in Nov 2006 and 2 July 2007 filer.

    Did any RFE recently please post?

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  • eilsoe
    02-02 06:44 PM
    Dan: Was it the trout-eating werm? :beam:

    pom: Yeah, he REALLY amazed me with those shadows as well... I can't decide right now.. I need more time...


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  • njboy
    11-04 05:11 AM
    obama has to worry about 2012 re-election. The mandate of the public is clear. They don't like his leftist policies. Even when the economy is doing good, chance of CIR is bad, so god only knows if he will even attempt. Congress is going to be deadlocked for 2 more years. Which is not to say nothing is possible. If the house passes something, Dems still have the senate. Obama may not have enough clout amongst the Democrats who are centered and struggled to hold their seats. Harry Reid also got a big scare, but atleast there are enough hispanics in his constituency to make him think of working on CIR again.

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  • Almond
    11-03 01:03 PM
    En tout pays, il y a une lieue de mauvais chemin....Nous devons Le mieux est l'ennemi de bien.

    ...Please. Show off. :rolleyes:


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  • brav
    11-29 08:10 PM
    Does it mean FBI has to clear/decide the case in 120 day time frame and If it fails to report back, uscis is free to adjudicate the aos

    The message says designated time frame, without specifying what the "designated time frame" is. I am just curious, where did you find that 120 days is the "designated time frame"?

    Thumbs up to IV and everyone involved in making this happen.

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  • franklin
    10-11 04:44 PM
    Its not all about being Wise. I was stuck in a BEC for some time, but my company refused to refile under PERM for me.

    Folks who missed the window - believe me, despite some insensitive remarks now, and in the past, IV is here for you and is working on your unfortunate predicament.

    My best advice to those affected by the continuing BEC mire is to join your state chapter, make sure your voice is heard on a local, grassroots level.

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  • nrk
    11-04 06:11 PM

    It is the same agent id for all of us.

    I got my infopass with in 3 days. You don't need an attorneys presence in info pass.
    If you go there with 2 forms of id , plus the 485 notices that is fine.

    Things to ask

    1. back ground check is cleared or not
    2. pre adjudicated
    3. Is there any other thing holding up your case.

    Probably we have to give a complaint against the agent id, what ever the cases went up him he is giving the same message.

    06-29 12:22 AM
    This thread makes no sense... everyone is out to sell each other out. Why would anyone want to wait. Besides, do you think 100% of applicants are on IV and agree to file late? Utter nonsense... People who have their applications ready should apply on July 1st.:D

    05-14 10:03 PM
    Good find Aadimanav. Way to go Ms.Lofgren !! Thanks for all your Efforts and we all really appreciate your work.

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